Lauren Prado: Schemes, the American Dream, and the Kardashians

This month, One Grand Gallery is pleased to show new work by Lauren Prado: Schemes, the Kardashians, and the American Dream. We sat down with Lauren to hear about the motivations behind her work.

Jess: In the past, you worked as a teacher in California, and recently you earned an MFA from PNCA. Could you tell us about the journey, and how you got to where you are today?

Lauren: I just finished grad school and that was fun, right? Two years of school. Before I came up here I was a high school teacher, and I taught at an iPad-only high school: no books allowed. It really showed me a different perspective on this millennial lifestyle. 

The kids were always on their phones and always on their iPads, because that’s all they had. In my classroom, it would be like 7:30 am, first bell, and these kids were waiting for a Supreme drop, you know, at 8. They had to be the first ones to buy it. They had everything they wanted in a cart, basically, and were waiting to check out as soon as it dropped. It was this whole other culture I had not been aware of. Seeing kids buy all these fashionable things, then turn around and sell them, or just keeping up with fast-paced trends, was super eye opening. It got me started down this line of research: How much does social media have its grip on us-- what we do, how we act, what we buy, and what we wear? Because I was seeing that a lot in the kids, but also if we look out into the ‘real world,’ adults do it as well. So from that experience I kind of spiraled into looking at celebrities, and specifically the Kardashians. It inspired the work I did at PNCA.

J: So you went to grad school at PNCA... are you back to teaching again?

L: I just graduated in May, so I’m just chillin for now.

J: You’ve been working with sewing and textiles for a long time, how did you get into that?

L: In my undergrad, I start school like “I need to make money, I’m going to be a nurse.” So I start taking all these bio classes and shit, and I fuckin’ fail out. I’m all “fuck this!” Then I don’t tell my parents, and I change my major to be an art major- what I really wanted to be in the first place. I take my first art class and my professor’s this awesome hippy lady. She’s like “Where’ve you been, kid?” and I’m like “Thank God. I finally figured it out.” She was teaching this dye class, with critique and fabric dying and she’s like “Take my class. You’ll love it.” So I jumped right in, and I fell in love. From there I started dying fabric, sewing, quilting, and that was the big turning point for me. Of course I’ve always liked to sew, my grandma taught me how to sew. I would sew my own Barbie clothes and shit. But that class was really the turning point for me to do a full dive into this medium. It’s progressed from dying and stuff like that, to sewing more and tufting now- making those rugs. It’s been quite a journey.

J: Interesting! You went from dying fabrics, to sewing pictures of shoes, to tufting these rugs. 

From Lauren Prado’s website: February 2019

From Lauren Prado’s website: February 2019

L: Yeah. At first I was sewing the shoes on clear canvas. It’s what grandmas use to cross stitch, basically. So I was using that grid to sew shoes. 

From there, I started seeing all these videos on Instagram, of people using a tufting machine to make rugs. 

I’m like “What is this?” So I dive into trying to find it. It has to be on Amazon... Syke, it’s not on Amazon. It has to be somewhere. So I google all around and just find this one guy who sells them in the United States. 

I bought it from him. The machines don’t really come with instructions, it’s a figure-it-out-yourself kinda deal. And that’s what I did. I was winging it. It was also difficult to figure out, like, what type of yarn is compatible, or what fabric works the best. It was really trial and error for awhile. I think I finally have it down now.

J: Was the decision to make your rugs so big because of the size of the tufting machine, or was it more conceptual?

L: It was a little bit of both. I’m always a sucker for “go big or go home.” Also with the Kardashians, I’m thinking about their range. They’re, like, insane celebrities. I figured these would have to be bigger than your regular throw rug. That’s the number one reason why they’re 12 ft by 7 ft.


Also conceptually, thinking through the Kardashians, what they represent, and their connections to consumerism and the American dream. For me, the saying “go big or go home,” runs parallel to the American dream. Work hard and you’ll get everything you want! or Why just shop for a few things? Shop for everything you want! I saw a lot of parallels with both aspects. 

Also, you know, using such a big tool and writing with it, doing details are more difficult when you’re working smaller. But if you want to write KIM KARDASHIAN and you want it to be legible, it has to be a little bigger. So that’s kind of another reason.

J: So the fact that they’re rugs... how does that play into it?

L: I always think about this goal of ours as a society: Reach out and grab it, you know, you CAN. There’s this weird tension where, the piece is an art object, set in a gallery, and you know the rules: Don’t reach out. Don’t touch... Yet there’s something about this tactile quality of the rug where we’re so accustomed to living with it and having it in the home, and we know what it probably feels like. There’s something about that weird tension where you want to reach out and touch it, but you can’t.

This medium really calls out to physical touch. I relate it to the way we interact with our mobile devices. You have to, like, double tap that heart on Kim’s newest sexy selfie. 

I think a lot about touch, and I think about this medium as a vehicle for desire, like you want to touch it. Just like when you go into the store and you want to touch a t-shirt before you buy it. Something is there. It’s innate, and it’s human, and I could go on forever about it. It’s super weird that fabric has that much power over us.

I just always go back to desire, and there’s something about making the Kardashians something that we touch digitally all the time into something soft, fleecy and sexy. It’s like a sexy rug of someone who’s sexy, who we already touch all the time digitally, it’s full circle for me. It’s just... the Kardashians, you know?

J: There’s also the association of rugs being on the floor, and you’re hanging them up, right?

L: Yeah, and I’m thinking about elevating. Rug you step on, rug you walk over, but these rugs... after you buy them, sure, do whatever you want. But the way they’re displayed on the wall, there’s a different connotation. We’re elevating. Also the rugs, the big ones, are on frames. They have a little extra space at the bottom. I relate that to celebrities and how we elevate, and put them on a pedestal. Once again thinking about the Kardashians, and this empire they’re created for themselves, and how so many people look to them for so many different reasons.

J: What is the intended effect on the audience?

L: I’m obsessed with things that influence our culture, but I’m not trying to cast judgement at all. I am here to ask questions about celebrity and the American dream, and if this is all mimicry, you know, if we’re just copying what we’re seeing online. In turn corporations are monetizing us and our mimicry. Is everything just mimicry? How deep does it get? Are we all basically being scammed by cliques and coolness online? In the end, if a viewer can walk away with some of these questions, that will be great. If someone wants to take the time to talk to me about it and hear a spiel about my idea behind it, they can.

If viewers walk away like “Damn that’s a sick rug,” I’m happy with that too. The viewer can come away with, at least, “That’s a really big Kardashian rug.” 

If you go online, try as you might to avoid the Kardashians, you can’t, I’m sorry. I believe the New York Times just wrote about them. You just can’t avoid it. No matter what you’re looking at, where you’re trying to google, one of them is going to pop up. I think Kanye just got on the cover of Forbes magazine today (July 10, 2019) so, like, you can’t avoid it. If you can at least grasp the idea of these celebrities and how unavoidable they are, that’s enough for me.

J: Where do you think this culture is going? What are your hopes and fears? What are you anticipating for the future?

L: I’m just paying attention to what’s happening, and not really assuming or guessing where it’s going to derail or whether its going to stay on track. Basically just pointing and writing what I see, like an anthropologist. I’m not trying to change everything. I wonder “Is it bad?” but the American dream has always been like this. The only thing that’s changed is technology and how we access it. I don’t see it stopping any time soon, and I don’t really want it to, either! I would get bored.

J: So you usually like it, for the most part? Social media?

L: Yeah.

J: And are there lessons you’ve learned in the process of making this work?

L: Lots of people have been reaching out because they’re seeing more tufting guns on the internet. They want to know “What gun are you using? What fabric are you using? What yarn are you using?” I try to help people as much as I can from the knowledge I’ve gained through trial and error.  But there’s still a lot of stuff I don’t even know, like trade secrets that other people on Instagram won’t share. It’s kind of crazy, you know? If you see someone doing the same thing as you, why not help them figure it out? 

But people just won’t share the information like “I got my fabric here, in bulk.” People tell me to go to JoAnne’s and get monks cloth, but actually that’s not the best fabric to use. It’s just hard because I can’t find the real name or distributor for really large scale fabric except for one chick on the internet and she upscales the stuff through the roof. I want to be like “Hey girl, just tell me the name. I’m going to buy it in bulk.” So there are still obstacles to figure out, like for me, the best way to make these rugs without ending up broke. Anyone who reads this and has a suggestion can shoot me an email. Tell me what fabric you’re using! I’m still trying to figure it out.

J: Do you feel your curiosity shifting at all? Do you have ideas for what you’d like to work on next?

L: At the moment, I’m still kind of super obsessed with the Kardashians and making the rugs. I’m going to branch out; I mean she posts a lot of pictures daily and all her sisters do. The three big rugs were of the three sisters: Kourtney, Kim and Khloé. Now I want to do Kendall, Kylie, and Kanye. I think people will really like that one. We’ll see. I have some drawings, waiting to be turned into rugs. I’ll stick with that for awhile.

J: Kanye seems like the perfect bridge between your previous work, where you were making sneakers, and this project.

L: The crazy thing is, Kanye is totally a bridge; but so is Kendall, and basically the way they all have contracts with these other companies is insane. That realization sparked my interest. I sewed the shoes, then other value objects like embroidered Lamborghinis and embroidered Ducati. Then I was seeing all the connections between these value objects and the Kardashians. Their matching G Wagons, and so on. I realized all these objects are important ties to one major family, the Kardashians. (The American dream.)


Ivan Salcido: For Eva & 3V4

In anticipation of his opening this Friday, we sat down with Ivan Salcido to talk about For Eva & 3V4.

Join us July 12 from 7-10 pm for his opening reception, featuring a live DJ set by Kyle Miller (@VCR_TV).

Ivan: My grandmother played professional basketball in Mexico, in the late 1940’s / early 1950’s, and her basketball team was a national champion in 1952. Growing up, my brother and I played sports. My grandmother was someone who would show up to our games and yell “Rebound!” or whatever. At the time, maybe we’d heard that she had played, but we couldn’t really picture it. Over the years I got a better understanding. She’s not someone who really talks about herself, so a lot of it was in gathering information over time. Some of her photos and memorabilia, because it’s so old, got lost. I was struck by the fact that these really great accomplishments have been reduced down to a few photographs, and so I thought I could do a project. I’ve wanted to do a project with regard to that for a long time. 

What I came up with was to turn one of my grandma’s photographs into an oversized basketball card: a collectible, in a plastic sleeve. It’s modeled after early basketball cards, but those didn’t come around til the 70’s, so there wasn’t really a card design to model it off of... let alone from Mexican women’s teams. My card has all the same attributes as a regular basketball card. It’ll be signed, in a way. It’s printed front and back. It’s got a lot of the same stuff you would find in a regular card, but it’s based off her numbers. So I’m essentially creating my own memorabilia, and trying to honor her in a way that is traditional honor for athletes. 

The project required me to design the card from the photograph and get it enlarged. I asked my grandma for a signature I could use and also took some from old cards she’d sent me. I had my friend Perry at Tiny Spoon Neon do a neon sign with the signature, so that is mounted to the oversized card. I was granted the money for the project by RACC, and am finally getting to display it for the first time. I’m really stoked.

J: Amazing! How do you see your project in relation to current events?

I: In the current political climate there’s a negative stereotype, or some people questioning the value of immigrants- their contribution and whatnot. I hope this portrait of my grandmother serves as a reminder that many immigrants in the U.S. have great accomplishments, and they have a lot to contribute. They’re not all criminals. They don’t all fit whatever negative connotation people associate with them.. 

The imagery on the back of the card, instead of showing a traditional American basketball court, shows a Meso-American ball court. I do that to connect the fact that many great things which blossomed in our culture have roots in other things, and it isn’t bad. 200 years ago on a Meso American ball court, there were two teams (as we have now). Maybe the hoop is now horizontal, whereas then it was vertical. But it’s a rubber ball and there were stakes, and there were probably people rooting for one side or the other. I feel like something that has withstood time can be relatable.

I’m just trying to nudge people into making connections. If they’re abstract, it doesn’t matter as much to me as the fact that they’re there. 

J: In addition to the basketball card, you’re incorporating some installation elements into this show. Care to share?

I: So there’s two backboard pieces, traditional backboards. I’m turning the rims on their sides to reference the Meso American basketball game. Some of the symbols on the backboard are somewhat overlaid with Meso American diagrams of their ball court. I’m also adding some neon to the backboards to reference a story that comes from Mayan culture. So I’m jumping around with Olmec ideas and then to Mayan, and then sort of contemporary Mexico, but it’s all tied into this history. That’s the essence of the show. I’m also hoping to get some vinyl that has some of the imagery on the ground. I’m interested to see how people will navigate the space once you have something on the floor.

Jess: Will your grandma be able to come see the show?

I: No, I think she’s a little too old to travel this far. She knows of the work and I’ve talked to her, she’s pretty tickled by the idea, but I don’t think she can really picture it.

J: I hope she gets to see pictures of it!

I: I have some pictures if you’d like to check them out! She was inducted into the Hall of Fame in Juarez, they don’t have a very good online presence so it’s been difficult to get info. 


I: She was on the basketball team for years. They played and won the national championship, then  toured and played exhibition games all over Mexico. My understanding is they opened as an exhibition for the Harlem GlobeTrotters at some point. She always talks about how that was so amazing. She was also a singer, and she participated in a show in Mexico that was kind of like American Idol: you perform, people call in and vote... and she would win! She would sing on the radio for a time; so I grew up with a lot of old Los Panchos and Bolero music and stuff playing in the background, and her just singing. 

Her name is Eva, they called her Evita at the time, so I’m titling the show “For Eva” as in, for one, I’m trying to preserve her history, forever, and also it’s for her. When making work I think about my nieces and my nephews and how I can make something that will speak to them at some point, so legacy is a theme that has been running through my mind. Especially because this is a portrait of her, but it’s also a portrait of me-- she’s on of the four parts that I came from. That idea of legacy and what we leave behind is something I keep in mind when creating. You want to be remembered, or whatever.

J: Someone needs to preserve the legacy.

I: I start to look around at my family members to see where the stories are, who’s asking questions and who cares, and I’m not... I’m not so sure that we are preserving those stories. As far as what we consume in products, or in consumer culture... We just toss everything. A lot of the knowledge and experience of the people who got us where we are, I wonder how much of that is being preserved. I don’t know that I can capture my grandma’s whole history, but to some extent I’m preserving this for my family. At least I’m holding the marker for as long as I’m around, or as long as this work is around, acting as a piece of research so someone can say “maybe I don’t know his grandmother, but it reminds me of my grandmother” to hold a place for questions over time.

J: Are there specific lessons or values from your grandmother or her generation that you hope will be preserved for future generations? Lessons about life?

I: She’s a hard worker. She raised my aunts and uncles who have all been successful in their professional lives... Aside from that, she’s endured so many tragedies in her life; yet I’ve never known her to be cynical or mean. Some lessons come from observing the way she carries herself. Often we feel wisdom needs to be given to us, but I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. You have to seek it out and be able to learn from the experience of other people or put yourself in other people’s shoes. It’s not right to talk poorly about someone, or a group of people, or assume things about them without putting yourself in their shoes. 

J: How do you see your art evolving over time?

I: Early on, I felt pressure to be a certain type of artist because of Hispanic or Mexican heritage, and something about it just wasn’t appealing. It didn’t feel authentic to myself so I kind of pulled away and started focusing more on technique and the process, doing experiments, and building up my own visual language. Because things have changed so dramatically, I don’t feel pressure to be any kind of artist now. I’m more interested in going back to representational work that has a more narrative quality because I do think it’s important to communicate ideas through visual media. I see my work changing now. Also reflecting on myself and my future, my family members, and in doing that, I’m having to dig back into my own history and the history of my family. When I see something cool, I’m wanting to tell that story. 

The story is also very relevant now. It’s heartbreaking to hear stories that are coming out of the camps at the border. It feels like I’m powerless. We’re all powerless to some extent... but we’re not! We can vote and make our voices heard. If I can steer the artwork so it somehow refers more to what’s important, I’m all for it.

Tony Aguero

This month One Grand Gallery presents Tony Aguero: MIEDO (Fears). We sat down with Tony to hear his thoughts about the show.

CW: Brief mention of rape and violence

Tony: Long story short, I am in this collective called Love and Anxiety. We make these zines and one of the themes we used for a zine was Fears. What are we afraid of? Contributors got about nine pages each, and once I realized I have a series of drawings that I started for the zine, I thought, “Wow. This is an idea nobody really explores or talks about. What makes you scared, what are your fears? Are you afraid to die? Are you afraid of... ?” It started there, as a small zine project, and then it expanded. I started to think into my fears of being an outsider, here in the States. I’m seeing things around me, like... I’d never seen a riot before in my life. People here march in Pioneer Square. You’ll see on the news that there’s a nuclear bomb threat from North Korea. I realized, hey, I’m in the United States so if a nuclear bomb’s going to hit here, I’m probably in the wrong spot! I began to talk about my personal fears with people. Everyone’s afraid of dying, everybody's afraid of losing family and loved ones. My mom passed away during the process of me working on this project, about a month and a half ago. The theme touches so many things that I feel are common for everybody.

Jess: Do you hope for audiences to reflect on their fears?

T: I think so. My hope is that people can see some of themselves in the pieces. Many of the ideas come from conversations I’ve had with people. I have a friend who sleeps with a hammer under her bed because she’s afraid that a guy will break in and try to rape her. I have another friend who has a hammer in the car. I’m like, wow, this is a thing. I hope people can relate some of that to the work in MIEDO.

J: You mentioned fear of being an outsider, would you like to talk more about what that’s like?

T: There’s a lot of things that I’m aware of, and I’m scared of, because you know... “This is not your culture or your country.” or “You’re a guest in the United States.” I’m a guest. It’s more of a subconscious thing: I have to be careful about being in the wrong place. I’m wondering,  “How do you walk past a march or a riot? How do you proceed on those things?” I started to realize that I was afraid-- I am afraid-- of stuff, and I wasn’t really thinking about it. I’ve had to do a lot of soul searching, too, because I am working with things that relate to my childhood. I’m still afraid of the dark, for example. I hate darkness. I talk about it here and there, but... I feel fear is very human.

I feel that if you’re going to make art you should communicate something, and I with this project in particular I wanted to talk about how I felt, in my voice, as an outsider, and talk about how I see things.

J: The work is on a lot of different materials including stickers, a hammer, and shaped wood. Is part of the perspective expressed through these choices of material?

T: It feels more real as a concept when you have physical stuff... that transcends painting or illustration. I wanted to experiment, and also see how people react to different things.

Something I’m really scared of is the internet, where people are so aggressive. People often use hashtags to spread hate. So I drew this picture of a Hashtag Hammer, covered in spines. One of my friends who saw the drawing said it would be easy to build, and he built it. I brought it with me from Costa Rica, so that’s one of the pieces I’m showing. If you see something on a painting or an illustration, it doesn’t have the same physicality of I’m going to beat you with this hashtag hammer! That’s the importance of making the actual object instead of having it on a piece of paper.

J: I’ve read that you’re also into 70’s branding?

T: There’s a little bit of that! One of the things I really enjoy-- I work in advertising-- we try to use happy people with values, inspired people, inspirational, and that’s how we sell stuff to people. I remember when I was a kid, I used to go to McDonald’s. It was one of my favorite things when they gave you the Happy Meal with all the illustrations of the characters on the box. People used to go, sit down, and eat, Those were different times. I try to incorporate that. There was a character on those boxes who was a cop-- the police. And another one was the Hamburgler. (laughs) So I play around with that a little bit. I like those concepts in a very straight-forward way. I like advertising! I work in advertising, and it’s inevitable for me not to bring it the context of what I do here.

J: Would you like to talk more about what you do with your work in advertising?

T: I am design director at Wunderman Thompson agency. My day job is, well, I read this interesting thing the other day. I took a snapshot of an image that said “How do you explain your job to people? For 10-20 year old people it’s like, “I am an artist.” For 31-50: “I’m a senior graphic design professional, a visual communications expert and a creative strategist.” For old people, “I make pretty pictures.” That’s what my mom will say. “My son makes pretty pictures.”

J: Are you mostly designing ads there?

T: Not ads, exactly. This is the digital age, so most of what we build is experiences. The ad is a component of things. It’s like one wheel in a car. There’s the construction of the car with seats, and wheel, and how many passengers can you fit, so to speak.... But my job basically is to generate concepts. I do a lot of idea pitching, designing how things will look, or the main ideas.

J: Do you feel that’s a vehicle for you to influence or inspire people at all? Or is it completely separate from your art?

T: I feel it’s separate. I don’t really feel you can convey a message through a product or a brand because brands have their own agenda. When you are outside of the creative constraints of doing stuff for clients, you’re free. You’re like, alright, this is the message I want to say and these are the colors I want to use, the symmetry, this and that. Of course in the advertising world there is nonprofit work which is interesting. [The company I work for recently used social media to combat hate.] But usually a client won’t get involved because brands and clients don’t want to get political. Nobody wants to take a side- they want to sell products to everybody. You can’t just sell products to the red or the black, black or white, red and blue, everything has to be gray. So it’s hard.

J: ...Which is kind of funny ‘cause your work is black and white!

T: Exactly! Ha, I never thought about it like that. The idea for me was to make something propaganda style. I started with the zine, illustrating in black in white. I’m not an art person, you  know, I never went to college to study art and painting, so I have to figure out what paint to buy, what brushes... I don’t know that I should be using color. To me the message feels right, and of course these can evolve into something more colorful, but I feel they are good in black and white.

J: Of course! They look wonderful. It’s also exciting that you’re crossing this boundary from design into art. I believe that artists help shape the future of society, so I always want to hear an artist’s dream for the future. What are some of your hopes for how you’d like society to be, or what changes would you like to see in the world?

T: One thing I have struggled with for many years is being an artist. I have never seen myself as an artist, still I don’t; but I’m trying to embrace it-- I want to communicate something. There are a lot of things I want to change, and I feel people who have the ability to create should contribute like, “I’m just gonna leave this right here. If you don’t like it that’s fine, but I’m going to say it. Somebody has to say it.”

From the ‘art world’ perspective, I would love to see people talking more about how they feel. Another thing I see here is, people don’t want to interact with each other. They don’t want to engage in conversation. It’s interesting for the gallery, now that I think about it. Ten years ago, would people be more likely to come in and talk? Now it seems they don’t care. I feel we’re stuck. Bring a conversation to the table! Bring something to the table. People don’t want to chat anymore. They’re just like “This is what I think and fuck the rest.” And you’re like, “You don’t think like I think? Then fuck you!”

J: It would be good if we could have more difficult conversations instead of staying separate from each other. I think this is related to something else in your artist statement. You asked, how do we cope in the age of anxiety? Making art is a good way to cope. What are some of your favorite coping skills?

T: I stopped drinking when I started this project. I feel that anxiety is a big thing people struggle with. We all do. That’s why we have the Love and Anxiety collective! I guess people cope in very different ways. Drugs, alcohol, money... and when I say money, I mean work:  your love of money. Exercise, food... and art, I guess. Or whatever you make. But I feel it’s healthy to just try doing new things.

Something else I see here is people don’t like to get out and travel much. They don’t take their passport and leave for the winter, when it’s dreary, to go somewhere sunny. I feel you have to do things in life that you are afraid of, in order to get yourself out of that comfort zone. I did my first yoga class today by the way. My wife said I have to do it, it’s fantastic... and now I love it! It’s another way to cope with anxiety.

J: After you do something you’re afraid of, what’s the best part?

T: That you stop thinking about the things you cannot do. Look at me. I’m forty-six years old, and I moved here when I was forty. People were like “You’re crazy! Going to a new country when you’re 40?!” I’m like, ”What? Why am I too old? Why can’t I start painting and making art if it’s something I love, and try to put up a show? Maybe someone will like the show I’m making.”

So I’m always pushing. But I have come to a conclusion and understanding that resting is as important as hustling. You have to do both things. Just do it. I feel like we find so many excuses for not doing things. It took me years to pick up a brush, and just start painting. I don’t know if the work is good or bad, I don’t know what people will say about it, but what matters to me is that I did it. I will take a brush right now and just paint you whatever, because I’m not scared anymore. With this whole journey, wow-- I love being able to do that. What’s the next thing I’m going to paint? What am I going to draw? What materials? I lost the fear of making art.

J: Wow! That’s amazing. If you somehow got rid of all your fears, what do you think you would do after that?

T: That’s an interesting question... I don’t know what I would do. I feel like the fear I’m trying to deal with right now is the fear of death, of dying. I feel like if you lose that, you will lose the fear of a lot of things. Like, “I’m not scared of dying; I’m not scared of trying.”

J:  Do you have plans after this show? Any projects people can look forward to?

T: Yeah, my brain is like that. “What’s next? What’s the next thing I’m gonna do?” So there’s three things I’ve been analyzing a long time in my head: fear, death, and money. Fear is the newest one, but I’ve been thinking about death for a big chunk of my life, and I want to explore that. I like my next project to be about money. How money is everything to people. Actually, I already have a name: All you need is money. Money is all you need. I would like to work around that. How money is so into our heads, from movies, to pop culture, to songs, everything is about making money. Everybody can relate to making money. That determines how successful you are. So that’s the next thing I look forward to working on.

J: Is there anything else you would like to talk about?

T: I’m really nervous and this is my first show! I’m not like an ego maniac person, an artist who doesn’t talk to people. I love to hear what people think.

I’ve been working on this thing for so long. I want to sell my work, but at the same time it’s sad to see it go. But that’s the way it goes. I’m not in this to make money, I’m in it because I want to make more art. So I hope this can help me build the second show! (Hopefully that one will be at One Grand, too.)